they say i say...

In these chapters the author discusses how to format an argument paper. He starts out by stating that the introduction of "they say" is a good way to start your paper. By sharing journalists opinions, a brief anecdote, or facts found in a prestigious magazine you have somewhere to start your analysis and its a great way to give some background into your topic. Once you have entered into your topic you must them insert the "i say" which is exactly what you think on the subject. It could either be agreeing or disagreeing or it could be both but you must get it all out on the table before moving on to the support you need to back your ideas up.
When presenting where you stand on your subject you then have to find back up for what you are saying. You have to make it persuasive and accurate by still bringing in your ideas and thoughts.
So the "they say, i say" aspect of your argument paper is really just how you present it and where to put the information. In the anecdote at the beginning of the first chapter, the author discussed how the speaker she went to hear just discussed one side of the situation and it wasn't until questioning that the author finally understood the main point to the speech. So bringing that out within probably the second or third paragraph of your paper clarifys to the reader your main purpose of your paper.

I say

In my opinions, argument is kind of a way to lead somebody to learn and accept something new. Because of that when you argue with something, you need to show your evidences to support your claims no matter you agree with or disagree with. And, base on these evidences you posted, the audiences start to learn it and try to accept it. So, if they accepted your point, that means you success in your argument; if not, you may need to think more about your paper. In “They say, I say”, it also says that you need to give reasons why you disagree or not. In addition to that, in “They say, I say”, it point out that when we want to argue with something, we need to declare our position directly as well. But sometimes, most of us would like to say lots of evidences or examples or the summary of the quote then show out their position, and this is in order to want their paper looks more complex and reasonable or intelligence. I think that is right to say something then post out your point, but what is the “something” should be? In “They say, I say”, it gives us a very useful answer: a brief introduction or summary of what you are going to argue with. Because of that neither everybody read what you read nor experienced what you experienced. If you start your point directly, some of your audiences who did not read the target you are arguing would confuse what you are talking about and this would make your paper lack of subtraction. General speaking, this paper (“They say, I say”) gives us a very useful way to start our argument paper and make it stronger. And it not only tells us the methods but also gives us lots of examples. It is really good to us.

"They say"

Everyday we find ourselves arguing with someone about something, usually small and insignificant, but there are times when it is very important to you. Being able to back up your argument is very important to help you get your point across and make you sound educated in what your saying. This reading helps explain how effective it is to properly use what others have said on your same topic you are arguing, to support it. When someone else with an educated background on your topic, then you should use it, but use it effectively. Writing word for word what they say is that the correct way, instead summarize what they said to the key points that support your thesis.
Disagreeing and agreeing are ways to respond to what others have said. You cannot just say you agree with someone or disagree with them, you must give reasoning behind why you feel this way. When disagreeing with someone, you can use the "duh" approach. This is when somebody has stated something all ready that you find obvious and people should all ready know this. This can be a strong way in supporting your thesis against what other people have written that contradicts your argument. When agreeing with a comment, you should not just echo it again. Try using a personal experience to relate it to what your agreeing with or find something that it didn't not previously mention but goes with it so you are part of the conversation and not just repeating it.
This paper will help me with my argument paper by showing me not to just say i agree or disagree with a comment. I now understand you must find a way to put your own words into what they have previously said.

They Say, But I Say

Whenever we argue we want to prove the person we are arguing with wrong, right? We can't just start an argument and have nothing to oppose what the person we are arguing with is saying. This is the same when we write an argument paper. When we are writing our paper we have to remember that we are arguing with the opposing point of views of our subject. By introducing the opposing sides and showing our point of view shows the reader that we know what we are talking about and that even though they are several of sides to the argument they will know why we are taking the stance we are.
In this reading I find it interesting how it introduces the "they say" technique to help us as the writers introduce our perspective in our argument. When we let our reader know the different point of views they will be able to see why we agree or disagree with that. It also benefits us because we are filled with more curiosity and learn new things that we can present in our paper.
After all we need something or someone to argue with, or else our paper will be more of a plain and boring persuasive paper and although we want to persuade our audience we want to let them know why and what else is out there. We want them to see why they should agree with us and not leave them with doubts because that can lead them to turn against what we are trying to say. Of course we all have our own different opinions but it will be best if we can have our reader entertained through our paper so that by the end they can create their own opinions.
This reading is helpful to us because it shows us a good simple way to take a stand in our paper but also let the reader know of what else is out there. Not only do we get to let our reader know information about our subject but we as well will be able to learn more about it too. By the time we are done with out paper we will have enough information to support our paper.

Response to Politiccs and the English

Even though this paper was written in half century ago, when I read it, I still can felt that what Orwell said is still can be seen today. Since the language was created, it became the method to communicate and the tool to record the information. So, this requires both of the author and reader or speaker and listener can understand the meaning clearly. However, as the improving of the language, there is a bad habit growing too. Some people like to use some strange metaphors or some “too update” order to create what they say and write. It seems that only when everybody needs to ask them what they exactly want to say can mean they are so intelligence. At this point, the language’s function is disappeared. And Orwell just pointed out this bad phenomenon in his paper. In my opinion, we are writing is because we want to show to somebody what we thinking. If nobody can understand what you are talking about, then what anything else can your writing does? When we talk about politics, sometimes, we can see many political articles were written in their jargons. Of course, if these are for the scholars, that is no problem. But if you use these jargons in the news or newspaper or magazine, what would happen? I am sure nobody would buy it because not everyone is economist or politician. And usually, we are, the common people are the biggest part who very concern about the gas price and the interest for the households. So, the most intelligence way to write is not long limbs or the complicate words but the simple and easy writing. By the way, in the time that the information spreads in a high-speed, only the simple and clear language can adapt it. Or when you are still thinking what this word means, another word has already ran around the world.

politics and the english language by george orwell...

As i began reading this essay by George Orwell titled Politics and the English Language I started to see how much i use common phrases and metaphors, just as he was discussing, in papers or even everyday writing. Its so easy to turn to what sounds good than what the truth of your writing really is. He talks about making your writing interesting and still bringing the point through to the reader without changing words and meaning to sound scientific. The fact of the matter is that a lot of times we try to sound smart by using words we may not even know the meaning too. Which in turn makes us look very dumb.
Orwell then set up a few general rules to not use commonly worked phrases or metaphors especially when they don't fit with your writing. Secondly don't try to fluff up your paper when you find nothing to write about, such as using bigger words where a smaller word would fill it in just fine. And if the word is smaller and more accurate it should definitely be used over the vague larger word. Another idea he brings up is to use the active verbs over the passive meaning use "running" over needing to run. Once again this is another way for you to add more bulk to your paper but in the end you need to be precise and more accurate rather than vague and having a lot of big extravagant words to deal with.

Response to the Arguement.(Sorry guys, I am so late)

Be honest, I felt so sad when I saw the “20 pages”. How much time do I need to finish it? I don’t know. And addition to this, this paper’s title seems not very interesting. Then, I started to read it under the very unwilling feeling. However, when I finished the first two pages, I found it is a really funny paper. Then after I finished the reading the paper, I find out there are many places very interesting and thoughtful to me.
The first place is the “cultures of harmony”. It was come from Tannan’s word. It describes the cultures such as Japan and China, view open conflict and disagreement as a threat to the group. Maybe because I am a Chinese, I always very sense about the things that relates to Chinese unconsciously. I thought the “cultures of harmony” really matches the Chinese culture. In the Chinese culture, polite and good manner are very important. We were taught “with good attitude to talk to the other” or “when you want to point out somebody’s mistake, do not too directly or you will hurt them” all the time. I always believe that. But I also think that a good argument needs a very direct opening actually. Because we need to persuade the people and the direct and strong opening can always help us to reach the success.
Another interesting place to me is the section about the “two sides of an argument”. I like this sentence “Instead of two sides to every issue, might there be thirteen”. It just let me know everything is variable. Just like a plate, it maybe not in a circle shape. But it doesn’t mean it must be square. It can be a triangle or in a fish shape or any other shape. And came back to the argument, when we have a claim, we need to clear what side we are going to argue and how to support our argument. It requires us to think the sides of this claim carefully because the relationships between these sides are not only opposite. It can be support each other or support the same thing and so on. So, when we meet these things in the argument, we need to find a perfect way to support our own claim.
Then, how to find the perfect way is another place that I found interesting in this paper. That is to get the information from your audiences. The author called it “op-ed”. Because from your peers’ feedback, you can know what do they care most. In addition to this, from their questions you can know in what place you need to put more evidences to strong your comments. All of these can improve your paper. There are many other places can give us idea and knowledge to write a good paper such as how to begin with a hypothesis, how to move your reader, how to avoid some fallacies and so on. General speaking, this paper is very helpful to a argument writer especially to those fresh writer.

"Politics and the English Language"

We have all been a victim of how at times the English language can cause confusion. This happens whether someone is speaking and/or even writing. Most people switch their words around to make themselves sound more intellectual and even to sound smart. What people don't realize is that by doing this it only confuses the reader or the audience on what they are trying to say. For example, when I read my psychology textbook it is hard to comprehend the material because of all the complicated terms the content has but when my teacher lectures it I seem to understand better.

This happens all the time, the writer gets carried away with what the audience is going to think that they try and perfection their writing. It is important to stay away from doing that and to remember that the audience includes a lot of people and sometimes believe it or not general and simple words have a better impact on the writer.

Orwell does a great job in explaining why we should be careful with our writing. Myself, personally has tried to reword what I was trying to say thinking that it will make a better paper but I realize that I was wrong. If I can barely understand what I am trying to say then how do I expect my readers to understand. It is impossible because the material is coming from me and all they can do is assume which at times can give them a different perspective than mine. We are writing to persuade not to confuse, so stating our main points and clarifying them by providing information is what we should worry about instead of using metaphors or big words to sound smarter.

Just like all the short readings we have read as a class this one as well is helpful for when we write any paper (not just our argument paper). It serves as a reminder on what we want to have in our paper. I got to remind myself to be able to clarify my writing so my reader can understand where I am coming from. Unlike the politicians who try to persuade us to vote for them by using big words to confuse us, I must allow my reader to understand what stance I am taking.

Argument Reading Response...

While reading Bruce Ballenger's excerpt from The Creative Writer he shares what is an argument, how to present one, and how to make people interested. He begins by talking about the differences in Op-Ed writing and persuasive writing in general. Persuasive writing tends to be more formal while letter's to the editor tend to be much more catchy and appealing to read.
An argument essay first starts with a topic that may be controversial but definitely has two sides of the subject to discuss. It could be something political, environmental, or just something public that annoys you. It gives you a good chance to share your views with whomever reads the paper and also get responce on what others think of the issue. By bringing up the topic you could even make changes towards an even better world.
He goes on to say that when you present your argument be sure to not attack the opposition but introduce other views showing your openness to the subject. You don't have to necessarily agree with the opposite side of your topic but you have to at least accept it.
You must also share some facts to back up your ideas. Even if you feel very strongly about a subject you can't expect people to agree or believe you until you back yourself up.

"Writing an Argument" reading response.

In the essay "Writing an Argument," Bruce Ballinger gives detail on how to effectively write a convincing and educated argument paper. He explains that just because you have strong information on your subject and give tons of facts and opinions in your paper, that the reader will understand or be persuaded by it. He also lays the main problems that many draft argument papers may have, such as your thesis stated clearly, sufficient evidence, considered counterarguments, and so forth.
Everyone argues everyday about something or other, and usually its something small and unimportant. When you argue with someone about something you find important to you, you will sound more educated and may be able to change the other person's mind, if you know what you are talking about and understand what their arugment is. all to often though, we go into an argument hot headed and not having a good clear understanding of what your arguing about. This makes your argument unefective and unorganized.
With what Bruce Ballinger as shown in this reading, I feel I now have more of an understanding of what exactly an argument essay consists of. That I can have all the information in the world on my topic but if I do not use it correctly and am able to relate it properly to my thesis statement that my reader will be lost in facts and information and not what I am trying to say. Also that you can never have enough information, and even after you write you draft, go back to the library and search for more information that you may be able to use. Using false anaolgies, begging the question, and appealing to popularity among other logical fallicies are common problems writers face in writing their paper. Now that i know what these are and how I can avoid them, I will hopefully be able to make my paper more logical and easier for the reader to understand and believe. This reading has shown me many ways to correct and revise my drafts in the future for this paper, I feel I will now have a stronger understanding about what this paper should entail and how to back up your thesis properly.

Argument Paper Reading Response!!!!

When I think about arguing with someone or against something I think of me usually gettting into a dispute where I state my point and walk off angry.That usually doesn't get me anywhere and doesn't solve what I was arguing about. A lot of people like me, tend to do that and in the end it's like there was no point in arguing. Arguing is always misinterpreted by people, but Bruce Ballenger does a great job in explaining what is a good way to argue and how can your argument be effective. He describes many different ways of approaching an argument and taking it further than what we already know to have better knowledge of our subject.
Anyone is capable of creating an argument by stating their opinion and providing information of why they are right. We all have heard how they are two sides to a story but in reality they are more. An argument is more complex than that and throughout our research we will find out why this is true. As we research our topic we will see all different sides to it and have more questions to answer that will only give us more knowledge.
By acknowledging the opposing sides, we are become familiar with the the pros and cons about our topic. Writing about something we are interested is good, but Ballenger says that people who have preexisting beliefs are usually close minded to other perspectives. An argument is not about being right but it is more about stating why you think you are right and having your research and not your prior knowledge as your evidence.
This reading gives me a better understanding on how to write my argument paper. By researching the subject as whole and not only your point of view really gives you a better idea on the subject. It makes it easier to comprehend the issue overall. Not only do we learn what we already know but yet we learn things that perhaps we never thought about. I am glad that now I know that when writing my argument paper I shouldn't only state my side but yet be a critical thinker and be open minded to the other sides. This will either reassure me on what I already know or possibly even change my opinion. Overall it will be great to learn more on this topic of mine.

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